JFK Assassination Debate?

Question

Here's an excerpt from a debate I had just looking for some feedback. First off,you say there's not enough proof of a shooter from the front(which there is),but how is there proof Oswald shot from the TSBD? He was seen sitting in the lunchroom within 10 minutes of the shots.A cop saw him in the lunchroom 75 to 90 seconds after the shots.Nobody saw Oswald run up or down the stairs during the shots.They found a rifle that was bought mail order in an alias he used.This alone is all the "evidence" there is for believing oswald was involved at all.After they found the rifle they didnt find any fingerprints.It was only after Oswald was killed( by Ruby who publicly hated the kennedy's and was a strip club owner who had a criminal rap sheet and magically sneaked through heavily gaurded security) that they "found" a palm print.But the thing that doesnt make sense is if Oswald was a former marine he wouldnt be stupid enough to leave his palm print on a gun in his place of work and his alias and leave the rifle up there for the cops to inevitably find. Also how do you explain him not running away instead sitting in the lunchroom for another 15 minutes? The "rifle" that people assume he brought in wasnt a gun at all it couldnt have been.The bag was only 2 feet long via witness testimony. The cops at first said they found a Mauser, for the first 2 days it was a mauser.There's plenty of other things that dont make sense about Oswald doing it.For example if he's just down to kill cops and p

Answer 1

couple of bits more regarding the rifle



1) the palmprint was in a position that could ONLY be accessed when the rifle was dis-assembled

SInce I assume oswald did not diassemble the rifle then reassemble it at the time - there is nothing that says oswald even handled the rifle on the day of rhe shooting - the palmprint could easily have got there days before.



2) the ONLY evidence that links the rifle to the shooting at all is a bullet found on the trolley that carried kennedy's body.

Bloodstains/brain material on the bullet could easily have come from splashes from kennedy's body while he was being wheeled along.

That means you have NO evidence that the bullet actually hit kennedy



And THAT means there is no chain of evidence linking the rifle to the shooting at ALL

And if you cant do that then its irrelevent whos rifle it was.(

(The only thing you have as regards ownership is that oswald owned a gun similar to the one found in the building. (but unfortunately it was very easy for anyone to order an identical rifle by mail order . So you have no evidence that owald actually owned the gun found.)



All in all there is no actual evidence that links oswald to the shooting at all - just lots of assumptions

(there was more evidence against oj simpson)



The REALLY sad thing is that there was a lot of actual evidence that could have been gathered correctly at the time. Trouble was- nobody bothered once oswald had been identiefied as a suspect

It was just assumed he was the killer and once he had been killed it was "case over, we have a killer, we have the weapon, its all over."

I dont even think that the rifle found was tested to check it had been fired shortly before it was found

All the tests on it were carried out far too late.to verify it had been fired on the day of the shooting.



As regards the position oswlad is supposed to have shot from

This is on the corner of the building

Oswald had a far easier shot than the one he was supposed to have made cos he could look directly up Houston street

As kennedy's car took many seconds to travel down this street then slow to turn down Elm street

oswald had say 2 minutes where he had a clear head shot at kennedy travelling straight towards him.

It was virtually impossiblel to miss from that window

Even worse as the car slowed down to go around the corner into elm street anyone in the window was looking virtually directly down onto kennedy's head. Another opportunity where even a very poor shot could not miss



So the quesion is

Why would oswald ignore all these very easy shots and wait until he had a far more difficult head shot as the car travelled down elm street?



and 1 thing about the shooting of tibbetts

The only thing that connects oswald to his shooting were cartridge cases found by the side of tibbetts car matched the gun oswald had in his possession when arrested (the bullets themselves were too damaged to match)

This does not rule out say a killer who knew oswald obtaining spent cases from the gun, and then dropping them at the scene.with the intention of incriminating oswald.

As for witnesses - none of them positively identified oswald as the man who shot tibbetts

the closest was that it looked like oswald (dont think there was an identity parade, cos oswald was shot too soon after the incident)





Last interest thing

In films of the shooting the nearest person to the car at the time kennedy was hit was a "woman" on the green

ALL other people in the vacinity were identified and interviewed.

"SHE" has never been identified



(I say "she" cos "she" was identified as a woman cos she wore womans clothing (none of the films are clear enough to identify "her" features), but it could equally well have been a man dressed as a woman)

Answer 2

What a load of crap!



1. Palm prints were found on the rifle.

2. Witnesses saw a shooter on the 6th floor.

3. It has been proven that someone could very easily walk (not run) from the 6th floor to the lunch room in far less than 90 seconds. By the way, could the cop have been exaggerating the 90 seconds? It probably was longer than that.

4. Why did Oswald, and no other employee, leave work that afternoon?

5. Why did Oswald get off the bus and get a cab if he wasn't in a hurry to leave the scene?

6. Whey did Oswald get a pistol and a jacket from his rooming house?

7. Why did he leave the rooming house in a hurry?

8. Whey did Oswald visit Marina and the kids the night before?

9. Why wasn't the rifle still in Ruth Paine's garage?

10. Witnesses saw Oswald shoot Officer Tippet. He was followed to the movie theater.

11. Why did Oswald sneak into the movie theater?

12. Why did Oswald try to shoot the arresting officer at the movie theater?

13. Why did his own wife tell the investigators that he tried to shoot General Walker only days before?

14. Why did Oswald leave his wedding ring and most of his money with Marina?

15. What happened to the "drapes" that Oswald was supposedly going to put in the boarding house?

16. Why did the disassembled gun "happen" to fit in the bag that he carried to work that morning?

17. Why? Why? Why?

18. If not Oswald, who?

19. If not Oswald, why did he behave like a man on the run?

20. If not Oswald, why did he shoot a police officer, and attempt to shoot another?

Answer 3

There's wasnt enough room to fit it all so here's the rest:Oswald couldnt have been there to kill Tippet.



Secondly,you say you dont believe the witnesses that said they heard shots and saw smoke rise from the fence area? Well,I do.Do you have experience in shooting guns? If somebody fires a rifle in your direction not more than 50 feet behind your head trust me,you'll know it. The echo idea only applies to if a shot is a mile or so away.Or so far away that theres no way you could know where it came from all you know is that you heard a shot in the distance.This is a completely different scenario.All these shots were in close proximity.Also do you think theyre lying about the smoke?



As far as the shot being misaligned from the TSBD,this is true.JFK's head was facing straight forward looking just a bit downward but he was not facing to the left.So of course the bullet could not have come from the TSBD since there was no exit wound on the left or front of his head.How is this hard to understand? It sounds pretty simple to me.Also the Magic bullet theory has been tested and proven to be impossible.No bullet could crush through that much bone and exits and entrances zigzagging all over and stop in Connaly's thigh unscathed.This is fact.



As to the doctors testimony,well this speaks for itself.I believe them.After watching the video footage of them clearly saying that the photos they were shown are absolutely false I'm pretty damn convinced.



The "fake photos" of Oswald holding a rifle idea is one of many ideas and myths thrown around like there are in every famous case of conspiracy. Oswald's wife said she took those pics so theyre probably not fake but it doesnt matter if they are or not.



The zapruder film shows JFK fling violently back directly on impact.So therefore the bullet had to have come from the front.The shooter must have used exploding rounds since half of his head was almost entirely obliterated.If the shot came from the back he would have swung the opposite way.And the bullet would have came out the front left side.Not the front right.

Answer 4

It has been shown that Connaly and JFK were both on the move at the sound of gunfire. The Zapruder film reveals this plainly. It is also easy to extrapolate where both were when the car is obscured by the sign. The magic bullte was not magical at all. It happened to be a meeting of man, position, moment and FMJ bullet trajectory/momentum. A Carcano bullet can and did make that trajectory and pass through the soft materials of flesh, clothe and seat fabric to end up where it landed near pristine. FMJ' military ammo is designed to wound humanely under Geneva conventions. Italian rounds are particularly hard and are the older cylindrical blunt end type. Which provides plenty of dense cross section mass when fired nor lend itself to rapid expansion on impacting soft materials. Let alone the military surplus round used was far flatter shooting with greater velocity and ft/lb energy than 1960's thru rodays commercial loads. The shots were also well within the effective range and flat trajectory of the 6.5mm round.



I used to believe the conspiracy theories. These days I accept the truth that Oswald DID kill JFK on his own. Just as Gavrilo Princip killed the Archduke and his wife by himself. Though Princip was part of a conspiracy. Just as Booth was. However, like Guiteau Hinckley, Lawrence,and Czolgosz Oswald acted completely alone and for his own reasons. Self importance/glorification being one.



I'm not even bothering with whether or not Oswald bought the Carcano or bought the handgun or Officer Tibbets. Plenty of evidence in testimony, fingerprints and records that prove Oswald owned the handgun and Carcano. Let alone his own wife's misgiving about Oswald'd obsessions.



Jack Ruby also acted on his own. Knowing the police would give access and his own peculiar temperament. Combined for his love of JFK.

Answer 5

Sounds like the only case you have is the typical bullcrap from the movie "JFK".



I suggest you read the books from Gerald Posner and Vincent Bugliosi on the subject. There were plenty of finger prints left by Oswald and there was nothing magic about the final shot.

Answer 6

I don't think Yahoo Answers provides enough space to address everything wrong with that - which is just about everything. I'm used to conspiracy theorists getting most of their facts wrong, but this is a bit too much.