Question:
Holocaust was a fake.....!!?
atti
2006-05-25 22:59:15 UTC
if the Holocaust really did happen, why are there so many "survivors" who for years have dirtied society with their pitiful lies about the evil Hitler, and the horrid "Holocaust"? They are nothing more than well-trained actors.

That's just a melodramatic way to cause some sort of sympathy feeling. Besides, one cannot deny what never happened in the first place.
Nineteen answers:
2006-06-01 22:08:20 UTC
A FACTUAL APPRAISAL OF THE "HOLOCAUST" BY THE RED CROSS.

by NoEvidenceOfGenocide • Friday, Jan. 28, 2005 at 7:09 AM





No Evidence Of Genocide [This article has status - HIDDEN - due to it's racist and anti-semetic content - Nazis **** off! - TBIMC]





The Jews And The Concentration Camps:

A Factual Appraisal By The Red Cross.



There is one survey of the Jewish question in Europe during World War Two and the conditions of Germany's concentration camps which is almost unique in its honesty and objectivity, the three-volume Report of the International Committee of the Red Cross on its Activities during the Second World War, Geneva, 1948.

This comprehensive account from an entirely neutral source incorporated and expanded the findings of two previous works: Documents sur l'activité du CICR en faveur des civils détenus dans les camps de concentration en Allemagne 1939-1945 (Geneva, 1946), and Inter Arma Caritas: the Work of the ICRC during the Second World War (Geneva, 1947). The team of authors, headed by Frédéric Siordet, explained in the opening pages of the Report that their object, in the tradition of the Red Cross, had been strict political neutrality, and herein lies its great value.



The ICRC successfully applied the 1929 Geneva military convention in order to gain access to civilian internees held in Central and Western Europe by the Germany authorities. By contrast, the ICRC was unable to gain any access to the Soviet Union, which had failed to ratify the Convention. The millions of civilian and military internees held in the USSR, whose conditions were known to be by far the worst, were completely cut off from any international contact or supervision.



The Red Cross Report is of value in that it first clarifies the legitimate circumstances under which Jews were detained in concentration camps, i.e. as enemy aliens. In describing the two categories of civilian internees, the Report distinguishes the second type as "Civilians deported on administrative grounds (in German, "Schutzhäftlinge"), who were arrested for political or racial motives because their presence was considered a danger to the State or the occupation forces" (Vol. 111, p. 73). These persons, it continues, "were placed on the same footing as persons arrested or imprisoned under common law for security reasons." (P.74).



The Report admits that the Germans were at first reluctant to permit supervision by the Red Cross of people detained on grounds relating to security, but by the latter part of 1942, the ICRC obtained important concessions from Germany. They were permitted to distribute food parcels to major concentration camps in Germany from August 1942, and "from February 1943 onwards this concession was extended to all other camps and prisons" (Vol. 111, p. 78). The ICRC soon established contact with camp commandants and launched a food relief programme which continued to function until the last months of 1945, letters of thanks for which came pouring in from Jewish internees.



Red Cross Recipients Were Jews



The Report states that "As many as 9,000 parcels were packed daily. From the autumn of 1943 until May 1945, about 1,112,000 parcels with a total weight of 4,500 tons were sent off to the concentration camps" (Vol. III, p. 80). In addition to food, these contained clothing and pharmaceutical supplies. "Parcels were sent to Dachau, Buchenwald, Sangerhausen, Sachsenhausen, Oranienburg, Flossenburg, Landsberg-am-Lech, Flöha, Ravensbrück, Hamburg-Neuengamme, Mauthausen, Theresienstadt, Auschwitz, Bergen-Belsen, to camps near Vienna and in Central and Southern Germany. The principal recipients were Belgians, Dutch, French, Greeks, Italians, Norwegians, Poles and stateless Jews" (Vol. III, p. 83).

In the course of the war, "The Committee was in a position to transfer and distribute in the form of relief supplies over twenty million Swiss francs collected by Jewish welfare organisations throughout the world, in particular by the American Joint Distribution Committee of New York" (Vol. I, p. 644). This latter organisation was permitted by the German Government to maintain offices in Berlin until the American entry into the war. The ICRC complained that obstruction of their vast relief operation for Jewish internees came not from the Germans but from the tight Allied blockade of Europe. Most of their purchases of relief food were made in Rumania, Hungary and Slovakia.



The ICRC had special praise for the liberal conditions which prevailed at Theresienstadt up to the time of their last visits there in April 1945. This camp, "where there were about 40,000 Jews deported from various countries was a relatively privileged ghetto" (Vol. III, p. 75). According to the Report, "'The Committee's delegates were able to visit the camp at Theresienstadt (Terezin) which was used exclusively for Jews and was governed by special conditions. From information gathered by the Committee, this camp had been started as an experiment by certain leaders of the Reich ... These men wished to give the Jews the means of setting up a communal life in a town under their own administration and possessing almost complete autonomy. . . two delegates were able to visit the camp on April 6th, 1945. They confirmed the favourable impression gained on the first visit" (Vol. I, p . 642).



The ICRC also had praise for the regime of Ion Antonescu of Fascist Rumania where the Committee was able to extend special relief to 183,000 Rumanian Jews until the time of the Soviet occupation. The aid then ceased, and the ICRC complained bitterly that it never succeeded "in sending anything whatsoever to Russia" (Vol. II, p. 62). The same situation applied to many of the German camps after their "liberation" by the Russians. The ICRC received a voluminous flow of mail from Auschwitz until the period of the Soviet occupation, when many of the internees were evacuated westward. But the efforts of the Red Cross to send relief to internees remaining at Auschwitz under Soviet control were futile. However, food parcels continued to be sent to former Auschwitz inmates transferred west to such camps as Buchenwald and Oranienburg.



No Evidence Of Genocide



One of the most important aspects of the Red Cross Report is that it clarifies the true cause of those deaths that undoubtedly occurred in the camps toward the end of the war. Says the Report: "In the chaotic condition of Germany after the invasion during the final months of the war, the camps received no food supplies at all and starvation claimed an increasing number of victims. Itself alarmed by this situation, the German Government at last informed the ICRC on February 1st, 1945 ... In March 1945, discussions between the President of the ICRC and General of the S.S. Kaltenbrunner gave even more decisive results. Relief could henceforth be distributed by the ICRC, and one delegate was authorised to stay in each camp ..." (Vol. III, p. 83).

Clearly, the German authorities were at pains to relieve the dire situation as far as they were able. The Red Cross are quite explicit in stating that food supplies ceased at this time due to the Allied bombing of German transportation, and in the interests of interned Jews they had protested on March 15th, 1944 against "the barbarous aerial warfare of the Allies" (Inter Arma Caritas, p. 78). By October 2nd, 1944, the ICRC warned the German Foreign Office of the impending collapse of the German transportation system, declaring that starvation conditions for people throughout Germany were becoming inevitable.



In dealing with this comprehensive, three-volume Report, it is important to stress that the delegates of the International Red Cross found no evidence whatever at the camps in Axis occupied Europe of a deliberate policy to exterminate the Jews. In all its 1,600 pages the Report does not even mention such a thing as a gas chamber. It admits that Jews, like many other wartime nationalities, suffered rigours and privations, but its complete silence on the subject of planned extermination is ample refutation of the Six Million legend. Like the Vatican representatives with whom they worked, the Red Cross found itself unable to indulge in the irresponsible charges of genocide which had become the order of the day. So far as the genuine mortality rate is concerned, the Report points out that most of the Jewish doctors from the camps were being used to combat typhus on the eastern front, so that they were unavailable when the typhus epidemics of 1945 broke out in the camps (Vol. I, p. 204 ff) - Incidentally, it is frequently claimed that mass executions were carried out in gas chambers cunningly disguised as shower facilities. Again the Report makes nonsense of this allegation. "Not only the washing places, but installations for baths, showers and laundry were inspected by the delegates. They had often to take action to have fixtures made less primitive, and to get them repaired or enlarged" (Vol. III, p. 594).



Not All Were Interned



Volume III of the Red Cross Report, Chapter 3 (I. Jewish Civilian Population) deals with the "aid given to the Jewish section of the free population," and this chapter makes it quite plain that by no means all of the European Jews were placed in internment camps, but remained, subject to certain restrictions, as part of the free civilian population. This conflicts directly with the "thoroughness" of the supposed "extermination programme", and with the claim in the forged Höss memoirs that Eichmann was obsessed with seizing "every single Jew he could lay his hands on."

In Slovakia, for example, where Eichmann's assistant Dieter Wisliceny was in charge, the Report states that "A large proportion of the Jewish minority had permission to stay in the country, and at certain periods Slovakia was looked upon as a comparative haven of refuge for Jews, especially for those coming from Poland. Those who remained in Slovakia seem to have been in comparative safety until the end of August 1944, when a rising against the German forces took place. While it is true that the law of May 15th, 1942 had brought about the internment of several thousand Jews, these people were held in camps where the conditions of food and lodging were tolerable, and where the internees were allowed to do paid work on terms almost equal to those of the free labour market" (Vol. I, p. 646).



Not only did large numbers of the three million or so European Jews avoid internment altogether, but the emigration of Jews continued throughout the war, generally by way of Hungary, Rumania and Turkey. Ironically, post-war Jewish emigration from German-occupied territories was also facilitated by the Reich, as in the case of the Polish Jews who had escaped to France before its occupation. "The Jews from Poland who, whilst in France, had obtained entrance permits to the United States were held to be American citizens by the German occupying authorities, who further agreed to recognize the validity of about three thousand passports issued to Jews by the consulates of South American countries" (Vol. I, p. 645).



As future U.S. citizens, these Jews were held at the Vittel camp in southern France for American aliens. The emigration of European Jews from Hungary in particular proceeded during the war unhindered by the German authorities. "Until March 1944," says the. Red Cross Report, "Jews who had the privilege of visas for Palestine were free to leave Hungary" (Vol. I, p. 648). Even after the replacement of the Horthy Government in 1944 (following its attempted armistice with the Soviet Union) with a government more dependent on German authority, the emigration of Jews continued.



The Committee secured the pledges of both Britain and the United States "to give support by every means to the emigration of Jews from Hungary," and from the U.S. Government the ICRC received a message stating that "The Government of the United States ... now specifically repeats its assurance that arrangements will be made by it for the care of all Jews who in the present circumstances are allowed to leave" (Vol. I, p . 649).



Biedermann agreed that in the nineteen instances that "Did Six Million Really Die?" quoted from the Report of the International Committee of the Red Cross on its Activities during the Second World War and Inter Arma Caritas (this includes the above material), it did so accurately.



A quote from Charles Biedermann (a delegate of the International Committee of the Red Cross and Director of the Red Cross' International Tracing Service) under oath at the Zündel Trial (February 9, 10, 11 and 12, 1988).



The above is chapter nine from the book "Did Six Million Really Die?"
2016-05-20 08:08:48 UTC
"I don't believe that the holocaust ever happen, so is it a fake??" Your opinions lack all credibility on account of the fact that you're an insensitive, disrespectful moron. Therefore, your beliefs and disbeliefs have no truth and mean nothing to anyone. The Holocaust happened. It's fact. There is evidence in the form of photographs, video footage taken by Nazis themselves, eyewitness testimonies, camps that are still standing and Nazi documentation such as the Korherr Report. Have some respect for the millions who lost their lives. You are a pathetic excuse for a human being.
ragzeus
2006-05-26 05:03:53 UTC
(This is my personal opinion and it is not my intention to insult anybody.)

The holocaust has happened! And it can not be denied!

But on the other hand it has been way over exploited and (in up to a point) exaggerated!

Allow me to explain. It is true that the Nazis eliminated in the death camps more than 6 million people. Not all of them were Jews though! Long before the Jews, Nazis killed political prisoners, mentally ill, physically disabled and several others! (Nearly 1 million Germans). The Nazis also killed thousand of Gypsies and uncountable prisoners of war or members of the resistance! Also a lot of countries had a remarkable number of deaths that nearly cost them an entire generation! For example Soviet Union had 17 millions deaths! (Army personnel, prisoners, and civilians!). Greece had lost 450 thousands {nearly 10% of its then population (mostly civilians and members of the resistance!)}.

Since all these crimes are true then why we tend to remember only the genocide of the Jews? (Does anyone remember the genocide of the Armenians?)

Well the answer is simple! The state of Israel (and the Israelite community of the USA) is over exploiting the Holocaust in order to maximize political gain in the last 50 years! It goes like this: “we have suffered from the Germans so we will build our state in the Palestinian land”… “We have exile 1.5 millions Palestinians from their homes and have killed nearly 560 thousand Palestinians (in the last 50 fears of course under constant wars and mainly because Israel has destroyed almost all infrastructure of the Palestinian authorities) but we have lost 6 millions!”

Every time a maniac Muslim, murders innocent Israelite civilians we are “bombardier” from the media(usually from US) with images of dead Israelites! At the same time nobody knows how many Palestinians have died from the Israelite bombs. Nobody knows that the Israel state uses “Nazi” practices against Palestinians! What I mean? Let me inform you that every time a fanatic Muslim (or a “desperate person”, choose what ever you like!) acts like a suicide bomber, the Israel punishes his family and his village by demolishing his house and his neighbors houses! (That is what the Nazis called “community responsibility”: “if you village has a member of the resistance then I will kill you all!)

Nobody knows that the Israel state has taken the most fertile Palestinian land, all the water, and has reduced the Palestinian lands in to almost 30% of its original size!

What we all know? The Holocaust! And how the poor Israelites fight against the bad Muslim fanatics!

I hope that one day reason will prevail in the minds of the fanatics of both states!
Cookie_monster
2006-05-28 22:29:50 UTC
How can you be so horrible, so naive and ignorant? The Holucaust was real believe it or not. Do you realize the torture and hell these poor people went through in those god-forsaken camps? It was real. People really died because of the idiotic, senseless, racist, and stupidity of Hitler's thoughts and feelings. There's so many survivors, my friend, because they were able to live through the Hell that Hitler put them through. The Holocaust wasn't a lie. It was real. You can call this bullshit if you want, call the Holocaust whatever you want, but you are just an ignorant fool who refuses to understand the Holocaust and what it was all about.
Sandylynn
2006-05-25 23:18:46 UTC
I guess the several people I personally know enjoyed branding themselves with several numbers on their forearms. They were just a crazy bunch of kids out for a hoot and thought a bunch of random numbers would look really cool on their arms. GET REAL! Why are there hundreds of newsreel footage of these places, showing the stacks and stacks of emaciated bodies, if it wasn't real? Sure, they just wanted attention and got millions of people to lie for them, even giving their own lives to hide them from the Germans. I don't know what history you studied, but I think you need a do-over. I guess all the movie footage was just filmed on a Hollywood backlot, right? If you keep telling yourself something often enough, maybe it never really happened. If you whack yourself on the head with a hammer and tell yourself it doesn't really hurt, you might be right. I've heard that there's a religion like that. They believe in positive confession. That if you believe something did or didn't happen, it's so, no matter what anyone else's reality is. So, if you get hit by a bus, and tell yourself it didn't happen, you're living in your own reality. Of course, you'd be dead, but you have the right to your own opinion. But, you do NOT have the right to tell millions of people that the thing they experienced wasn't real. There is just too much proof to show you are wrong. Whether or not you feel sympathy is up to you. But that doesn't minimize the facts of history, whether you like it or not. <*)))><
2006-05-26 07:33:47 UTC
Have you actually done any research at all into this, or do you just post senseless, thoughtless, idiotic diatribes on here? The Holocaust is a proven fact - I know a man, now in his 80's - a wonderful, thoughtful, caring man, a doctor, who was part of the Allied contingent that liberated Buchenwald, one of the Nazi concentration camps. He has pictures, and his stories are enough to curl your hair. These people were brutalized, starved, beaten, gassed and shot to death, treated worse than animals. How you can be so hateful as to deny their suffering is beyond my ability to comprehend. This doctor friend of mine has absolutely no reason to make up these stories, he has not written a book or sought to capitalize on his experience in any way.



Many of our soldiers who took part of the liberation of these camps have told similar stories. The thousands, the hundreds of thousands of pictures, eye witness accounts all add up to evidence so compelling as to be beyond doubt, unless you are mentally incompetent to understand facts.



Why are there so many "survivors?" Because Hitler's twisted dream fell, Germany lost the war and the people in those camps were left behind before any more madness could be perpetrated against them. You are sick and twisted yourself, and you really should go to Europe and visit some of these camps yourself, and see all these horrible places, and then talk to some of your so-called phony "survivors" - but you are a gutless worm, who is too lazy to challenge yourself intellectually with the truth. You would rather be ignorant and stupid, than to discover the truth about this abomination.
monica_dietz@sbcglobal.net
2006-05-25 23:21:41 UTC
Nice try. You're so crafty- trying to ruffle people's feathers for your own amusement!



Oh, you mean you really think the holocaust is fake? You obviously haven't been to any of the memorials all over this country. And didn't you know-- the Nazi's were very good record-keepers. They were proud of their accomplishments and wanted to make sure the whole world knew about all the horrific things they did to 6 million Jews and many others, too. The victim's descendents will be very happy to hear how ignorant you are about the "Nazi's" you claim to idolize. Next time, do your research on your "heroes". Everyone knows that the Nazis were all about accuracy and thoroughness of records. Hitler would be ashamed of you!
riot_akt
2006-05-25 23:22:54 UTC
If there are survivors, it doesn't mean it never happened... and it's not melodramatic if you put yourself in their position. (If you're put in a cage, I doubt you'd get over it). Both of my grandfathers served in WWII (no, they weren't in concentration camps and weren't Jewish)and just because they survived it doesn't mean the war was an enjoyable experience for them.



I understand where you're coming from, though. There are a lot more examples of genocide in history which are rarely talked about than just the Holocaust... for instance, can somebody name the number of villages burned down in Belarus with most of their residents during the Nazi invasion? http://imdb.com/title/tt0091251/ ...



Rwanda?

Darfur?



...
eyekoola
2006-05-26 04:32:38 UTC
it did happen and it was awfull, but what about millions of russians killed in and after war, what about 200 000 german people killed in one night in Nurnberg, what about all those nations who suffered and suffer the same way today. They seem to not be worth of help or even talk.



why nobody talks of them or do something but only cry on jews killed 50 years ago



IT'S STILL HAPPENING to many other poor little nations



why didn't some jews intercede while serbs did the same thing in croatia and bosnia in 90s to stop history repeating - they are powerfull anough to do it
cross-stitch kelly
2006-05-26 05:57:30 UTC
The people who believe that are either in complete denial or absolute idiots. Who would do that to themselves? Eisenhower made sure that one of the first things he did was get pictures of the concentration camps to show the world what happened. I had an uncle who was one of the first soldiers in there, and it literally sickened him. It changed him for the rest of his life.
2006-05-25 23:12:17 UTC
Have you taken your medicine?it sounds like your bipolar is acting up again.Do you think that the survivors of the holocaust made it up and tattoo their arms with prison numbers just to look like car license plates,I think your elevator doesn't reach the top floor
?
2006-05-25 23:12:49 UTC
I can't even let people like you get to me. One entire side of my family was wiped out by the man you defend. Your senseless brain, your lack of education and tact, and your hate-filled heart still cannot wipe out the evils of a madman and his followers. I hope hell has room for the both of you--your path is already mapped out for you!
Jessica
2006-05-25 23:07:28 UTC
Id say the "facts" are greatly exaggerated... I read years back that according to the Jews own population records before and after WW2 no where near 6 million were dead... Im sure some people died in camps... as did German citizens...soldiers on both sides...people die during war... thats what happens
Modest intellect
2006-05-25 23:38:53 UTC
You are right, and maybe the little fairies that are telling you these things will introduce you to the leprechaun who will let you have his pot of gold.
2006-05-25 23:00:16 UTC
ehem, my grandmother was in one of the concentration camps.
2006-05-26 04:01:31 UTC
It did happen, end of sotry.
sparkydog_1372
2006-05-25 23:00:22 UTC
you're obviously just trying to piss people off with this because no one can really be this stupid.
cooldude
2006-05-25 23:00:47 UTC
i think it's real... there are lots of facts to prove it...
pingpong
2006-05-25 23:45:33 UTC
have a nice day! it might be your last!


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