Question:
Evolution vs. Bible?
sweet_candy
2006-10-07 10:04:29 UTC
Do you believe in Evolution or in Bible? Why? Why?
36 answers:
kermit
2006-10-07 10:06:16 UTC
evolution of course. Science has evidence!
anonymous
2006-10-07 13:06:10 UTC
One does not have to cancel out the other. Evolution is backed by a great deal of evidence. However, I am a believer in the BIble. I beileve that the Bible is not literal. Yes, there is a creation story in the Bible.....consider reading it with the idea, "What does God want me to get from this story?" Is God simply saying, "Hey guys, this is what literally happened." Or Is God using a story to make a point about something else? I believe that if the Bible were meant to be proof that God is real and that it tells us exactly what we should think and do, then Faith would be moot.
Nothin wrong
2006-10-10 14:01:46 UTC
Hey bramblyspam I've got an education too, buddy.

And how is creationism laugh-out-loud hilarious? I make tile samples for a living. I wouldn't see anything funny about it if I happened by the store of one of my customers and said, "Hey, I made that."



I believe the Bible is God's word because there is indisputable evidence, archaeological and otherwise, that this is true. The arrogance apparent in the answers of some of those who don't believe so seems to be part of the reason why they haven't looked and seen that this is so. I'd suggest that you do. You can contact me if you want to.

Evolution is a theory. There is NO proof for evolution. We have fossils of two things that look alike. One is older than the other. That is like saying 200 years from now, someone stumbles across the remains of a Ford Model T. They also find the remains of a 2006 Mustang. The descendants of Henry Ford would be insulted if that person were to say, "Well it's obvious that these two things came about by chance. Over time, the newer one formed with more features, horsepower,. etc..." when it is quite obvious that someone had to build those complex things. The Fords would say, "that is preposterous! You are slandering our forefather's good name!"

The same is true of life. We are physically vastly more complex than cars, and inside we have free will, emotions, likes, dislikes, etc. that animals don't posess. Just one piece of evidence that we were created. It is an insult to God, the creator of all things, my Father and yours, to say, "hey, we have two things that are similar, but the newer one is more complex...it is obvious this happened by accident!" This is Satan's world, and that is just one way he drives people away from their Father.

The Bible says that God's creations would produce "according to it's kind." So we wouldn't have become whole different creatures. But, that is not to say that Jehovah has never made changes in us. That is a possibility. For example, the offspring of Noah's three sons look different according to the region they lived in. So there is nothing to say that God never said, "OK, so Ham's family lives in Africa where it is hotter, so I'll add a little pigment to the skin of the offspring for them to better cope," and so on and so forth. That is something I sometimes think about; but it is only a possibility, not something I view as a definite fact.
profitmessenger
2006-10-07 10:34:10 UTC
The people that are pro-evolution will often cite science and logic but what they are saying is they have faith in a human process that will eventually reveal truth. Scientific "truth" is always temporary as the process usually lead to a discovery that proves a previous "truth" was in error - truth is dictated by the empircial evidence of the moment and the ability to interpret it.

As for the Bible, the people of those times wrote about things in the context of their own understanding and information available to them.

Creation and Evolution are compatible, what is not compatible are the people who put too much faith in the infallibility of science, and the religious who interpret ancient observations as valid evidence despite new information.

I believe in Creation, and I also believe in a degree of Evolution, what is in disagreement is the timeline and the starting point.

The main problem with evolution is, if you look at mutation rates and natural selection cycles, there is not enough time or fossil evidence to support hypothesis that we came from fish (think about each feature of our biology - any eye with rods, cones, retina, nerves, eyelashes, Iris, etc. - when would the body make a change according to its environment, decide it was good, and transmute all generations after that. If we came from monkeys, and we are better, why are there still monkeys?
anonymous
2006-10-07 10:24:11 UTC
There is no scientific evidence for evolution....at all.



Now, the two have absolutely nothing to do with each other. Anything known about one does not influence the other in any way. The people who try to make this a debate are manipulating others in an attempt to strip them of their faith in religion toward a sinister purpose. The manipulation is one where science is elevated to a status it doesn't warrant and then faith is found wanting for not being scientific. Where, in reality, the two have seperate and limited spheres of influence that don't overlap much.



However, if forced to choose. Of the two, evolution has been proven false from within its own system. Evolution is a scientic theory. Science is objective and has a specific procedure of proofs. Evolution has failed every single test of this. There is no scientific evidence to support evolution across all fields of science and all attempts to validate it. In fact, by the sheer lack of evidence where it would be overwhelmingly expected to be present (example, total lack of intermediate forms in the fossil record), this is very strong proof that evolution is not a viable theory. It's scientific alright. Scientifically proven false.



You may disagree. However, because of the objective and standardized methods of the scientific method, you would be objectively wrong. That is the point of science. Everyone agrees to a set of rules for sake of consensus. Those who disagree after the fact....are wrong. More than any other major theory, evolution has been discredited. Adherents are simply wrong. When they say evolution is scientifically valid, they are lying. Period.



Or put another way. Put up or shut up. If you think evolution is scientifically true, provide the evidence. This is an issue of such monumental importance that it would immediately earn you a Nobel Peace Prize if you could do it. But you can't.



As for the bible? Who can tell. Ask your local priest.
Its not me Its u
2006-10-07 12:08:56 UTC
To quote Lewis Black, "We have the fossils. We win."



Here's the thing... there's support for the theory of evolution, whereas there is not even the tiniest scrap of support for "Creationism".



So. Let's all embrace the Scientific Method and reality and put creationism where it belongs... in the idiot bucket.



Will there ever be reconciliation?... science vs. religion, fact vs. faith, vision vs. reality.



And why did our benevolent Creator create predation, the disease, the birth defects, the evil in the world, and the parasites? Are these examples of his beneficient and intelligent design? Also, if the design was so intelligent, why did he have to keep coming out with new & improved models? (the best example are the extinction of the Neanderthals, but there were over 15 other hominid species that didn't make it).



And there's always the question of why did Jehovah let Hitler incinerate 6 million of his chosen people, why did Budha allow Truman to vaporize 200,000 Japanese men, women and children, or how did the christian god let Stalin butcher 30 million christians. God must not be benevolent or these treacheries wouldn't have happened. Or he was not omnipotent, and couldn't stop the treacheries. Either way, he could not have been both...



The irrationality of religion has a scientific basis. It goes back to our cave man days when man was very insecure living in a hostile environment. The cerebral cortex of our brain (the complex thinking apparatus) is a relatively recent addition.



The more primitive underlying limbic system, the seat of our ancient emotions or innate temperaments, is in all of us. Humans use both systems. In times of trouble, people still pray for intervention by the god(s). Prayers are requests by persons to have the laws of the universe repealed in their favor.



People who are rational, relying on their cerebral cortex, look at all the absurdities in religion. Christian dogma expects people to believe the fairy tale of Noah's ark, although it is patently impossible to squeeze even samples of billions of the world's animals into one small ark. Rational persons consider such stories ludicrous.



The bible account of the creation of man and the universe is in such contradiction to irrefutable facts that a rational person cannot help but laugh about such fantasies.



Have you heard the saying "there's no atheists in foxholes?" Its because in times of danger, humans revert to the primitive part of their brain for security. We needed religion to survive in a hostile universe back in the cave man days.
expatmt
2006-10-07 11:05:21 UTC
God created evolution. God was the originator of all things. He experimented around with various animals, etc, over millions of years to come up with the ones that worked the best.

With God creating everything in six days, ( I won't tell you where it is because I you to look it up in the Bible), the Bible says that one day to God is like a thousand years to man, so, to me, it appears that God took longer than 6 man days to create everything.

I don't believe that the various species of animals, plants, etc. happened out of mere chance. I believe there was some intelligent guiding behind it.

Look at cattle, for example. In my life, there has been cross-breeding that has produced new breeds that propagate the new breed.

Mules are the result of cross-breeding horses and donkeys - male donkey, female horse. Hineys are rare as they are the result of a union between a male horse and female donkey. (There is also artificial insemination.) Horses and donkeys have a different number of chromosomes so they should not be able to interbreed, but they do. Mules and hineys are usually sterile, but every great once in a while, one is fertile.

On the other hand, chimpanzees share 98% of human DNA, but don't crossbreed with humans. Humans have 46 chromosomes and chimpanzees have 48.
jackie
2006-10-07 10:29:21 UTC
You can believe in both. The Bible says Adam and Eve were the first people made in the image of God. When Cain killed Abel he was driven from the land and was afraid that anyone that found him would kill him. He was afraid of the people he would meet. The Bible hasn't changed, but the interpretation needs to be updated. God put a mark on him and he went out and built a city.

Read it for yourself, gensis 4, 1-17
pelancha
2006-10-08 05:44:48 UTC
Evolution is not against the Bible, or had anybody seen a picture of Adam and Eve.
artemis M!
2006-10-09 18:48:54 UTC
the bible was writen by man and man writes what good for him/her not always the truth but his ideas and beliefs



so its evolution to me

proven facts no matter how little facts there are that prove the theory of evolution is true they totally win against no proven facts about the bible
anonymous
2006-10-07 10:16:05 UTC
Evolution isn't a belief. It's supported by observation and scientific measurement. It's like saying do you believe the Earth revolves around the Sun? It just does happens.



The Bible deals with the soul, and happiness. Science deals with measurements and the understanding of how the universe works. They are mutually exclusive of one another. One does not trump the other.
JIMMY j
2006-10-07 14:02:44 UTC
yay praise the bible and all but in all seriousness...believe something with scientific evidence? or believe something that also mentions some dude walking on water?



and D-Money...are you retarded? really, I mean none of that stuff you said is true. Do you even know the theory of evolution?
tigranvp2001
2006-10-07 10:13:55 UTC
I reject evolution, simply because it violates the proven laws of science. The Bible predicts these very laws. Evolution states that the universe is increasing in complexity, but the LAW of Entropy, which is the second law of thermodynamics, states that greater disorder and less complexity are occurring. Even if you add energy, the rate of decay increases reciprocally, in closed or open systems.

Evolution isn't a theory is crisis, it is terminally ill.
D-Money
2006-10-07 13:09:13 UTC
The Bible. I find evolution to be completely ridiculous. Lets just run through it really quick:



1. Billions of years ago, there was a bunch of water on earth

2. Somehow, that water coalesced into plant matter

3. One day, the one of the plants woke up with a brain

4. Those new brainy plants kept reproducing

5. They became multi-celled organisms

6. These multi celled organisms changed in complex beings. Thousands of different kinds.

7. One of these complex beings decied the water was boring, and jumped onto land

8. He decided he liked it, and stayed there alot, and so did his friends.

9. Their kids started to grow into beings that breathed air and had feet

10. These animals developed into a million different kinds of animals.

11. Some flew, some dug, walked, or crawled.

12. One of these walking animals decided to walk upright

13. He kept on doing that, and soon a bunch of them did

14. They turned into monkeys

15. Some monkeys were not content, so they evolved into early humans

16. These humans changed about 10 times to our modern appearance.



Yeah, thats a pretty scientific approach. I'm not saying that the Bible is, but it has never once been proved wrong. You have to have faith, sometimes.
same here
2006-10-07 10:10:43 UTC
well, evolution is a theory that makes sense and has scientific evidence and does NOT contradict the bible. but it has gaps and is incomplete.



the bible, on the other hand, has been modified, translated, and censored over that last 2000 years. it contains some beautiful and wonderful ideas and is certainly worthy of reading. You just have to take it with a grain of salt that it may not be actually accurate. Nor does it contradict evolution.



do we have to choose? why not take the best of both?
katlvr125
2006-10-07 10:41:27 UTC
I was not or ever be evolved from any form of the ape family!! By the way the Bible has facts behind it only the heathens chose not to believe the truth
hanners
2016-10-02 05:13:12 UTC
i do no longer think of the Bible is a respected source to extra effective inspect phenotype morphology from. it is the 1st time I certainly have heard of this kind of concern, yet have concept approximately it earlier, and puzzled why it wasn't deemed achieveable. tremendously cool. i comprehend while they have been first sorting out to be certain if flies could evolve in case you shrink off their wings, and then copulated them, they does no longer breed wingless flies, so the two are contradictory as far as mass adjustments contained in the organism. To make a re-occasion a individual who looses their limbs, won't breed a limbless baby. there are in all risk radioactive, and extra electrochemical adjustments that ought to bring about a phenotype morphology, yet i do no longer think of we are able to inspect that by potential of turning to the Bible for solutions. around one, could would desire to pass to the thought of evolution right here, yet on condition that it develop into utilized to micro-biotic evolution to extra effective benefit a clearer concept of this phenomenon.
Daver
2006-10-10 09:54:27 UTC
Come to my blog and read "Pacifico of Evolution per Creationism ) - The Reconciling (of Evolution with Creationism)"



http://360.yahoo.com/catholiccatechism



You will find the answer there.
natureutt78
2006-10-07 10:13:16 UTC
you are asking a dangerous and involved question! Quick answer? Creation - with some microevolution/adaptation thrown in. In a nutshell, evolution is a theory and cannot be proven, basically, so is creationism. I see no conflict - so I can believe that God created us and this earth (it also allows us humans to have purpose)
Bramblyspam
2006-10-07 10:09:20 UTC
Evolution. Because some of us actually have an education, and find the evidence persuasive. Some of us are even well enough versed in science, logic & the scientific method to realize that the "scientific" arguments made on behalf of creationism are laugh-out-loud ludicrous.
dhragtop
2006-10-07 10:17:24 UTC
evolution is a scientific truth---------who's version of the bible do you want to believe? .go with what makes you happy.
Amanda R
2006-10-07 10:07:31 UTC
Evolution. I dont totally agree with all of evolution, but for the most part the bible is stories made by men..... Men lie.
ChooseRealityPLEASE
2006-10-07 15:38:19 UTC
One doesn't "believe in" evolution. You can either accept that it has and is happening, or ignore it and hide in some fantasy notion of how we all got here... either way, it doesn't change reality.
anonymous
2006-10-07 10:13:29 UTC
Evolution is not faith-based. It is fact-based. And this, like any other science, is still evolving.



Bible written by non-scientists. Philosophers at best. Not reliable source of factual information
chikka
2006-10-07 10:15:57 UTC
evolution. the story of adam and eve is the same as greek god stories. it was made so there was an answer to how we came here. just like lightning is from when Zeus was angry, right? history and fact cant be ignored.
smilingontime
2006-10-07 10:07:13 UTC
I believe in the Bible.





Jesus loves me
drox
2006-10-07 10:11:11 UTC
although they way some people look and act - I believe in the Word Of GOD - I am not a monkey or ever was- and to think we evolved when others do not is simply -ignorant- Bible truths are being fulfilled now as we speak- and have been proven to have happened-sodom-Noah's ark etc- don't monkey around(forgive the pun) with your life- You only get one!! follow Jesus
jess
2006-10-07 10:13:00 UTC
the Bible. and if there is such a thing as evolution, yes God created that too.
sunset_n_moonrise
2006-10-07 10:14:25 UTC
Evolution..because...well..I'm not a Christian! Plus, I feel I need to draw the line somewhere between faith and rationality...
Nitrous McBread
2006-10-07 10:07:14 UTC
Do I believe Bibles exist? Hmmm, well, I've seen them in shops but I reckon behind the cover they're just more Catherine Cookson junk.
bot_parody
2006-10-07 10:13:00 UTC
Evolution is considered a "scientic fact" because there is so much evidence; it is creationism that is a theory, and a very superstitious one at that.
worldneverchanges
2006-10-07 10:12:17 UTC
Evolution. It is more believable, realistic, factual, logical and rational than all the religious fairy tales.
wallsuds
2006-10-07 10:13:05 UTC
The Bible



Read Revelations 4:11



Jesus loves us all, He died for us.its up to us to accept Him and the salvation He offers.
janssen411
2006-10-07 11:17:13 UTC
Both
ginoscl
2006-10-07 10:08:05 UTC
I believe in the bible



because it is the word of God.
anonymous
2006-10-07 10:11:41 UTC
BIBLE!!! GOD IS GOOD ALL THE TIME AND ALL THE TIME GOD IS GOOD. ITS ALL ABOUT FAITH.


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