Question:
Have you noticed how people are trying to absolve Germans from the nazi crimes?
Johnny Tomala
2011-12-03 06:47:31 UTC
And shift the blame to eastern European countries like Poland, Ukraine and Hungary?

Like:

-it's not Germany, it's the evil nazis
-only a small number of Germans were nazis. Most Germans were opressed by the evil nazis
-treaty of Versailles was so unfair
-only SS were bad and Wehrmacht soldiers were heroes fighting for their country
-eastern Europe is the cradle of antisemitism
-Jews were opressed in pre-war Poland
-Polish fascist government helped Hitler in partitioning of Czechoslovakia
-those stubborn Polacks refused to submit to Hitler and give him Danzig so they are at least partially responsible for the WWII
-poor Germans didn't know about the camps, Poles knew and DID NOTHING
-people employed at the camps were mostly eastern European Slavs
-eastern Europe collaborated with the nazis on a large scale while western Europe fought for the Jews
Seven answers:
joe t
2011-12-05 10:26:42 UTC
People who have that opinon are completly nieve and blind to the facts so before they twist any more history and move into the realm of nazi apologetic or holocaust denial they need to read more factual information and stop getting their information from nazi fan website and hobby sites. The German army in world war 2 was not something cool with neat weapons and uniforms, that has been post war commercialization by reanactors and hobbyist and it has been twisted into many fivtional stories and half truths.



History professors, educated Germans and people with factual knowledge on the subject matter will all say that these facts are wrong.



Here are some things to think about



Like:



-it's not Germany, it's the evil nazis Most Nazis were German however most in modern society don't make Germans feel guilty or bare any cross. Most Germans live day to day with little guilt. So this argument is really pointless and quite obvious



-only a small number of Germans were nazis. Most Germans were opressed by the evil nazis... That is wrong many Germans were nazis and many supported them. In you saying this, people who make most Germans out to be victims is ridiculous . Look at the crowds of supporting Germans at nazi rallies. If you talk to most Germans who lived during the war they will tell you that over 50 to 70 percent supported the nazis and many were party members. I have lived in Germany,



-treaty of Versailles was so unfair...: There is some factual information there but don't we learn not to blame others for our failings. That argument only supports what they are trying to argue against.



-only SS were bad and Wehrmacht soldiers were heroes fighting for their country... This is not true, the SS were not only the bad ones. There is documented fact that the Whermacht helped in the holocaust. The organization itself swore an oath tho Hitler and the party. They can argue that some of its members we're not guilty but the organization did support the nazis,.



-eastern Europe is the cradle of antisemitism ... That has no value in the argument. Germany was the cradle fo communism does that mean Germany is guilty for Stalins crimes. Antisemitism goes back to Rome and Egypt, that does not give any rights to any people to percicute and create a genocide.



-Jews were opressed in pre-war Poland.... So? They were also treated poorly in France and other European countries. That is a silly argument, that would be like saying I bully a kid because others bulky him too.



-Polish fascist government helped Hitler in partitioning of Czechoslovakia... And again their point is?



-those stubborn Polacks refused to submit to Hitler and give him Danzig so they are at least partially responsible for the WWII... Now they are showing true colours, Polacks? Got a little hate on for Poland do we. Why should Poland submit to Hitler? That is like saying someone did not submit to me so I beat him up.



-poor Germans didn't know about the camps, Poles knew and DID NOTHING.... Wrong again, they say they support Germans, this argument makes the Germans look stupid. The Germans knew, not all but many there were many large camps in Germany near towns and villages. Many Germans were employed near and around the camps. Not all the poles knew about the camps, you should not generalize on either side. I have been to camps in Germany and I can verify that the Germans knew.



-people employed at the camps were mostly eastern European Slavs .... Wrong again camps were all over occupied Europe, there were French who worked in and near the ones in France, there were Belgians and Dutch, many Germans across Germany and Croatians. Dachau in Bavaria was predominantly for Germans and it was run by Germans. There were locals that worked in and around the camp.



-eastern Europe collaborated with the nazis on a large scale while western Europe fought for the Jews... Again so? Just because some Easter Europeans collaborated with thev nazis and SS does not mean that the Germans are any less guilty. That is like saying that the killer is less guilty because he had an accomplice. By the way there were many French, Belgians, Dutch, and Italians that joined the Waffen SS and SS. It was a French SS unit that was one of the last to defend Hitlers government district.



So before they go on their nazi / German defense they need to read a little more as the argument is not sound and is making them look ignorant.



You can argue that antisemitism was a European problem, you can argue that the treaty of versatile was unfair and helped cause WW2 but what you can not do is use this to wave responsibility. What is actually funny with this is most have moved on and don't feel it necessary to dwell in such trivial question or blaming.



I fail to understand why so many are still so passionate and ignorant about this.
2011-12-03 07:11:03 UTC
Holodomor or also known as The Ukrainian famine was a famine that occured in the Ukraine during the years 1932 to 1933. The famine was brought on due to Stalin's new, radical collective farming programs in 1927.



A serious drought had already threatened grain crops during the year and low snowfall amounts during the following year made the soil less tillageable.



By the early 1930's many people were starving to death, due to Stalin's issues not to import any food into the Ukraine and people caught stealing even the smallest amount of food were executed. People who left and squated on Government land were treated as treasonists.



The loss of live has been around the 3 millions to 3.5 million death, although, figures have been as high as 10 Million deaths due to the famine.



A Jewish group in Ukraine is objecting to a criminal case brought over the "Great Famine" committed in the 1930s.



The nation's security service is pressing the case against a list of former Soviet officials accused of committing the Holodomor, which caused the deaths of millions in Ukraine in 1932-33. Most of the names on the list were JEWISH.
2011-12-03 07:47:17 UTC
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there was a documentry on soccer Hooligans and it showed the Polish Police ( Armed ) escorting the 88 to soccer Grounds and standing Guard over them the whole match then Escorting them back to trains and Busses and their major concerns was poland bid for some soccer tornament I was in Poland in 2009 and saw some of these Heil Hitler Morons



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well considering when I visited Germany in 2009 only 15% were Over 65 and only 3% were Old enough to have had anything Productive to do with the NAZIS



the Germans of today are as close to the NAZIS as the Human race is to the Neanderthals



of anyone should hate it is people Like me I was bombed by the NAZIS for over 5 years



and if i was Not Living in the best country in the world Australia I could Live In Bavaria



today's germans are some of the Nicest People on this planet i lived in germany after WW2 with the RAF and all my Girlfriends at the Time were only a little Younger than me



and were Upset about what their dead parents had done and told me that we started it and that they were Only defending their Homes so the NAZI propaganda was alive and well years after WW2



but we have done a Great Job of De NAZI fying Germany But it is Funny the Biggest Group of Neo Nazis in Europe are in Poland they call themselves the 8 8 which is H.H



and it is a Fact that Germany teaches WW2 warts and all unlike the USA who fails to teach the Fact that it was american Money that put Hitler in power and that Thousands Of American companies Supplied The NAZIS with Ball Bearing Oil Fuel IBM punch cards ITT owned Fokker Wolf and My LIST of US trading with the enemy contains Thousands of US companies up to and including 1945



at least the Germans Teach the Truth Unlike the USA who don't teach anything about the TRUE cause of WW2
Derek
2011-12-03 08:40:13 UTC
Not really. It is only people like yourself who go out of their way to dig up these "tabloid facts" that notice. Stirring up racial hatred is a Nazi characteristic. I think you might be getting close to crossing the line between clinical observation and prejudice. Having lived in Bergen-Belsen I know that the Germans are aware of what happened and they do not want it to happen again. I also know that the term "Polack" is Racist. What do you think?

Nobody is or was perfect. America committed War Crimes in Vietnam. Russians murdered Poles and Jews. Britain started concentration camps during the Boer War. Japan committed atrocities on prisoners of War. Irish Catholics murdered (with American Catholic aid) Irish Protestants and British soldiers, Irish Protestants murdered Irish Catholics and British soldiers, Mussolini used mustard gas on tribesman in Ethiopia, Saddam Hussein used it on his own people. Where do you stop. As long as people like yourself keep inventing "problems" problems and stirring up hate, then no-one has a chance for a peaceful life.
Petra
2011-12-03 11:07:40 UTC
And have you noticed that the German people of today are not the same ones that are responsible for the Nazi crimes? Did that ever occur to you?
2011-12-03 12:31:03 UTC
Hmmm Johnny Tomala sure comes across like RayHere under another name...
Gum
2011-12-03 15:50:32 UTC
yes i do notice this. in 10 years they are going to say that it was Poland attacking poor nazis...


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