Question:
What German tanks is better? Pz V Panther ou Pz VI Tiger?
RickSq
2008-12-09 02:26:37 UTC
What German tanks is better? Pz V Panther ou Pz VI Tiger?
in relationship the model H for Tiger and G for Panther

Tiger is very armor, legendary, used by best crews (M. Wittman),and your cannon is very powefull (against infantry in Headlines) Tank for defense

Panther is very quicky, your armor is inclined is best combination in armor-speed-cannon. In some situations your cannon is best than tiger against tanks. Its a tank for attack and little for defense

Please the ask is for only Tiger (pz VI) and Panther. Nothing of KingTiger, Pz IV, Sherman...
Seven answers:
Alice S
2008-12-10 15:06:01 UTC
Some good answers here, but I will try to give you my ideas.



The Panther had a better gun. Although the 88mm of the Tiger was heavier, it could not penetrate as much armour as the 75mm. The Tigers 88mm L56 was a re-mounting of the FLAK 36 AA gun. However, the 75mm L71 of the Panther was a purpose designed AT gun. The longer barrel length offered greater payback as far as velocity and accuracy was concerned. As a rough guide, the 75 could penetrate about 150mm of vertical armour. The 88 could penetrate 120mm (The same as the 75 L48 used by the PzrKwgn IV. However, the weight of shell meant that it could achieve this penetration at a longer range that the Pzr IV).



The Panthers original spec was for 30mm of frontal armour. However, by the time that it reached production, this had increased to 50mm. This lead to a few mechanical problems. While the Mayback HL230 P40 was capable of moving the added weight, the gearbox wasn't. Concequently, when first deployed during the Kursk offensive in 1943, the Panther suffered from several breakdowns as the gearboxes struggled with the extra weight. Another consequence of this was that the wheels, which were designed to support a lighter tank, were prone to cracking.



When viewed from above, the Tiger is a squarer tank than the Panther. This presents difficulties for the Tiger, since it means that, in order to be loaded onto railroad cars, the outer set of roadwheel must be removed and thinner tracks fitted. The Panther, on the other hand, was designed to be thinner and could therefore be moved to where it was needed quickly. One advantage of this for the Tiger however was that the wider front aspect meant that the chance of offering a flank shot was less compared to the longer body of the Panther.



The weight of the Tiger made it slow. It could not react quickly to changes, since it took a great deal of effort to move the turret around. The tiger had an auto traveres peddle, but even so, the weight of the turret, made from 80mm thick steel, would take a lot of effort from the engine.



A report detailing a Tiger captured in Tunisia by the British showed that, although the Tiger could be penetrated from the rear, at various ranges by different calibre weopons, at no time could a British gun penetrate the front or side of the vehicle, even using 17lb rounds.



The introduction of APDS rounds helped to overcome this. However, this report had helped to shape British military doctarin regarding this vehicle, especially after the mauling given to allied vehicles in Italy. One such occasion saw 24 allied tanks (Shermans I believe) facing four Tigers at long range. Within minutes of the Germans opening up on these vehicles, 12 were knocked out. The crews, faced with four dug in tigers did the only sensible thing in open country, they abandoned their tanks and ran.



In Normandy, the allies applied a ratio of 5 Shermans or Cromwells to take out one Tiger. The idea was that the Tiger would knock out 4 allied tanks, giving the 5th the chance to get behind the Tiger and knock it out. The same ratio was applied to the Panther. However, the Panther was lighter and faster. It could reposition a lot quicker than the Tiger.



While Germans tended to overengineer their vehicles, this was especially true of the Tiger. It was said that you could steer the vehicle with two fingers, due to the precision used to machine the geering. This meant that it was more expensive to produce than the Panther.



The shape of the Mantlet on the Tiger was straight up, hoizontal. This actually worked for the Tiger. The rounted mantlet of the Panther offered a fire trap. Although, if a shell hit the top of the mantlet, the round would bouce upwards, if it hit the bottom of the mantlet, the shell would be deflected downwards, onto the weaker top of the vehicle. It was only in later models of the G that the lower part of the mantlet was squared off.



So, overall the Tiger was a great tank. However, its expense made it less atractive than the Panther. The Panther suffered from several weaknesses early on, but these were pretty much sorted out by the late G period. Both were excelent vehicles, but I would have to say that, due to expense and serviceability, the Panther actually wins. This is, I believe, shared by the Germans themselves. Just look at the Konigstiger and tell me which vehicle it looks like, the Panther or the Tiger.



Luck
cp_scipiom
2008-12-09 14:50:50 UTC
definetly the Panther. It actually had a better armour than the Tiger and a better gun (more penetation). Also faster, more agile. Definetly a better all-around tank



one minus in Panther early versions was the turret design- especially the commanders bit (welded on the side of the turret) and the front end which would deflect shells down- and thus help pierce the armour over the head of the driver. All fixed in the later models.



Both tanks were used for attack and for defense. Same for SPG's- it really makes no difference.

Both had weak points- but overall the Panther was a better design
Glenn Harvey Fingler
2008-12-09 12:00:12 UTC
Same as the first answer, plus this story from my great uncle's experience fighting the Tigers in the Netherlands in WW II. He used Cromwell tanks, which were rotten tanks. Their strategy was to approach a Tiger in a great half- spiral, while driving as fast as possible towards it. The Tiger would knock out one or two Cromwells, but the slow, manually-operated turret of the Tiger would prevent it from destroying them all.

The Tiger would then be destroyed by a close-range flank shot from a surviving Cromwell.



These tactics would not have worked against a Panther.

In that respect, the Panther was superior to the Tiger even in defense.
2008-12-09 10:38:51 UTC
PanzerkampwagenV, Panther. Superior mobility, better armor penetration with the 75mm APP round than the Tiger 1 88mm APP.



The Panther's slopped glacis plate afforded better APP protection as did the turret mantlet, at least on later model Panthers. The Panthers 75mm cannon was rated third best in WW2 for tank mounted armor penetration, behind the British Fire Flys 76mm & the Tiger two's 88mm.

The panthers only serious defect was the mechanical break downs which plagued it.
Pierre
2008-12-09 10:43:08 UTC
The Tiger by far there are hundreds of allied veterans than can tell you that they saw tanks shells bounce of Tiger armor.
donnytrev
2008-12-11 19:38:15 UTC
Without bing long winded it has to be the Tiger by-far it only had one week spot and that was in the ase end
Federico the Priest
2008-12-09 19:41:56 UTC
I don't know for which scenario.... if it is for brake the defences yes, Tiger, but if it is for trap the enemy, Panther


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