Question:
Does any ancient roman armor exist?
Jim
2011-06-17 09:41:37 UTC
Are there any real peices of ancient roman armor in existence in museums etc? Any Loricas segmentatas? or do we only know what they look like from trajans column etc.
Eleven answers:
Frosc
2011-06-17 09:42:07 UTC
Oh yeah loads in museums.
cloughly
2016-10-03 08:52:53 UTC
Ancient Roman Armor
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2016-12-15 18:00:43 UTC
Real Roman Armor
anonymous
2015-08-13 03:25:07 UTC
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RE:

Does any ancient roman armor exist?

Are there any real peices of ancient roman armor in existence in museums etc? Any Loricas segmentatas? or do we only know what they look like from trajans column etc.
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2016-04-10 06:34:18 UTC
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Actually, with today's diets, training, and physical education, soldiers are in FAR better physical condition than in any time in history. Ancient/Medieval period armies had two types of fighting man: One was a commoner that was pulled into military service on an "at need" basis, and had little in the way of real martial skill. They were drafted and put into simple infantry units (pikemen, slingthrowers, etc). Most of their muscle was developed by daily tasks (farmers, blacksmiths, etc). The other was a class of military lifers, in the middle ages, general an aristocracy, but not always. Many of these guys were indeed, incredible soldiers, but still suffered from the many problems of the past -- poor, limited diets, a rudimentary understanding of biology. While I'm sure an armored up knight in full plate could stand a pretty good chance in a close quarters fight with a modern soldier (and most likely win), the level of training in today's armies is just superior across the board. Even at a squad level, soldiers are now taught tactical assessment, weapon deployment, etc, and given a broad spectrum of skill training (including close quarters combat). I don't doubt their bravery (of any time period), or their power, but the technological and intellectual advances give the edge to today's soldier. But no, they weren't tall. Or generally all that healthy due to the poor understanding of sanitary conditions or of medicine*. The average height for a man today is far above what it was in the middle ages (5'8 as opposed to 5'3), and taller than in even advanced ancient civilizations as well. Edit: Wether you believe it or not, the lack of height is a historically documented fact. Go to anywhere with surviving medieval or earlier armor, or surviving civilian clothing. Or statues. Or paintings. Or extant documents of measurements. Or, just go inside an old house and notice how low the ceilings are. They all conclusively prove this whether you want to accept it or not. Besides, why on earth would you want short soliders? That makes no sense from a martial standpoint. Taller units are more intimidating and have longer range with melee weaponry, both well known and well documented things (in fact, many armies through history had elite units with minimum height requirements). Also, Peter the Great was not "medieval". He was born in 1672, WELL into the Renaissance (as in more than 100 years into it), what most historians consider the end of the middle ages, and was ROYALTY, meaning he did not suffer the same extent of malnutrition most people did in earlier times. And at 6'8, he was considered abnormally huge, almost freakishly so. Citing an outside example of a tall person is not accurately representing the data. Abraham Lincoln was freakishly tall too, at 6'4. Just because you have the occasional one-offs (how many 7 foot people do you see every day? Yet they exist), does not make the historical evidence incorrect. Lastly, you're absolutely wrong on weapon weights. Spears do not weigh 55lbs/25kg. Not even a massive, armor piecing, HORSE MOUNTED LANCE is going to weigh that much. And an infantry sword is nowhere near 10kg. A person cannot effectively weild nor swing a 22lb sword in battle. A horsemen's Zweihander or a Scottish Claymore (both massive, two handed, full body swords) don't even weigh that much. A simple Roman Gladius or Middle Ages Bastard Sword? You're looking more in the range of 2-5kg, and even a 5kg sword is a giant, 2-handed weapon. A typical short to medium sword weighs less than 5lbs/2-3kg. This is a sadly common misconception, enhanced by the movies, and covered in the link below.
Ron s
2013-12-31 11:38:23 UTC
I live here in Naples Italy and have only seen gladiator armor so far. I have been looking for a legionary uniform but have come up empty. I will keep looking though. A lot of the picture on the net are remakes or armor from movies.
Amelia
2011-06-17 10:31:45 UTC
Here is a youtube video of an exhibit with actual Ancient Roman Armor. One restorer makes a good point about cleaning or preserving it. He says there is no problem with bronze, since it is incorruptible, but iron degrades over time. Of course iron is stronger than bronze when new, and more widely used, so many artifacts might be lost due what they're made of.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GnipspTE44k



Here's a page with photos of actual Roman military artifacts. Lots of examples in each category in this museum:



http://www.romancoins.info/MilitaryEquipment.html
BigBill
2011-06-17 09:52:28 UTC
At the Higgins Armory Museum in Worcester Massachusetts they have several pieces of original Roman armor. They also have a large bronze gladiator helmet.

http://higgins.org/



Keep in mind that Roman armor consisted of metal strips held in place by leather thongs. The leather doesn't tend to last very well. The same happens with Samurai armor, the metal is 'sewed' together with rope or line, and that tends to rot.

http://www.romancoins.info/MilitaryEquipment-Body-Armour.html
paul s
2011-06-17 11:08:39 UTC
It is very, very, very rare to uncover armour from the Roman period and dark ages, finding swords, spear heads, shield bosses, knifes and other metal objects (buckles, broaches etc) in graves is pretty common, but armour very rare. (for example here in the UK many thousands of roman, celt, saxon and viking graves have been excavated over the years and in only a handful has any trace of armour been found and all were in ultra high status graves)

The suggestion why armour artifacts are seldom found, is that armour was too valuable to waste as a grave good, and was not buried but instead reused. certainly roman armour with its complex design and lengthy manufacturing process (and cost) would not have been discarded willingly.

The problem with roman armour was it was very good and if looked after would last for years, so it was looted, ending up encasing some barbarian warrior or melted down to make tools (you don't waste good metal)

A good example of 'possible' Roman armour is the 'sutton hoo' helmet in the british museum, it was found in the grave of an anglo-saxon king from the 5th century, but the helmet was possibly a roman cavalry helmet from 2 centuries earlier that had been passed down the generations as a high status object, until one day being buried in a boat with its last owner
vermindust
2011-06-17 09:51:21 UTC
Go to google. Select images. "museum roman armor"

http://tiny.cc/xys5u

here,

http://www.stalbansmuseums.org.uk/Learning/Learning-Resources/Image-Banks/A-selection-of-images-from-Verulamium-Museum-collections-and-galleries/Lorica-Segmentata

is a Loricas segmentatas, a bit corroded and obviously past its warrenty.
anonymous
2011-06-17 09:46:27 UTC
Erm this is quite a difficult question, and a "very" good question. Hmmm let me see, yes I got it, they have it in Museams. Am 100% sure of that, I think that's why they have Museums dont they? but this is a very difficult question and one of the most best questions ever asked on Yahoo-Answers in my opinon..I dont even think Eienstein could have easily figured out ancient armour usuallly be's in Museams. Anyone who say's museams must be really knowledgeable and intelligent, not many people know this, epseacially Roman-Historians.



Hope my Answer is helpful. I hope you believe and trust that ancient stuff usually be's in Museams.


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