Question:
Was the USSR a Nazi's ally for real?
AngryCat
2008-01-22 04:03:22 UTC
Why do the Western historians like so much to remind of the Nazi-Soviet pact of 1939 and to claim Russia as a German's ally, but they seem to "forget" about the Munich Agreement when the Western allies (the UK and Ftance mostly) practicaly sold out Czechia?
Also they accuse the USSR of being a part of Axis in the late 30th, but what about the Russian-Japanese conflict of 1938-39, when Russia oppose the Japan's invasion to Mongolia? And waht about the Soviet volunteers in Spain that supported the anti-fascist resistance?
Is it a behavior of a real Nazi's ally? Or are these accusations more a Cold War stuff?
Nine answers:
hi5
2008-01-22 04:44:30 UTC
the USSR and the Nazi's were some how to big powers and both they were afraid from each other due to the big and huge number of soldiers and military equipments, and they both look into each other as the true threat, and the Nazi's didn't attack USSR until they send the ambassador of the Nazi's army to Britain and with out telling him that the USSR ambassador was there too they let him sit on the other room while the discussion between Britain and the USSR ambassador was going on, and the USSR ambassador said that they are going to attack the Nazi's army sooner or later and they are thinking in making a sudden attack on the Nazi's army without any alert, here each word of that historical meeting was heard by the Nazi's ambassador and he left Britain directly to inform the fuehrer Hitler about what he have heard and what happened and directly Hitler left Britain from being attacked by his army although the last land in Europe which was not invaded by the Nazi's army was Britain and due to the smart policy that British do have, so Hitler send his army do invade Ukraine the first country in USSR and the three countries Latvia and Estonia and Lithuania and the red army USSR was some how ready but what helped the USSR army was the White General WINTER (the winter season)where it was beside the USSR army where they were fine to battle in such climate while the Nazi's couldn't hold the freeze and the cold weather where a lot of soldiers died from cold.



so u cant say they were ally as much as they were waiting who is going to shoot the first bullet.
Cybele
2008-01-22 12:16:42 UTC
No. there weren’t allies. They signed a non-aggression pact which was promise that neither country would invade the other. This was because the two regimes fundamentally disliked and distrusted one another. The USSR was far left and Nazi Germany was far right. Germany opposed the invasion of Mongolia because Mongolia is directly south of Soviet territory and the Soviets had no great love for the Japanese.. The Soviets supported the anti-fascist movement in Spain because of their ideological similarities. No, the Soviets and the Germans hated each other. The only reason the non-aggression pact was signed was because the Soviets didn’t want a war and the Germans didn’t want to worry about having the USSR as an enemy
The Violator!
2008-01-22 12:20:28 UTC
It sounds like you need to read some history... OK, a lot probably.



These are all well known facts and yes, Stalin did sign a non aggression pact with Hitler.



Munich appeasement is also well known.



Yes, far more Nazis were also killed by the Russian army than by the other allies too... but in context the Triple Alliance was critically reliant on ALL 3 parties, the British empire forces, the USA, and the USSR... if one element had been missing it seems certain that Hitler would have conquered the world.
expatpaul
2008-01-22 12:51:13 UTC
The Soviets and the Nazis were allies for a brief time in the early days of the war.



Prior to the invasion of Poland, the Russians and the Germans made a secret agreement to divide Poland. Russia was to get part of Eastern Poland in exchange for the Soviets not opposing the German invasion.



You are a bit naive to think that nations do not make alliance sand pacts with goverments that may be their poltical or ideological enemies if they feel it would be to their advantage to do so.



The USA, for example, supported Saddam Hussein in his war with Iraq in the 1980's, because the American government felt it was in our interests to do so, even though we were aware that Hussein was a ruthless dictator and tyrant.



Similarly,Nazi Germany and Russia forged this agreement despite being ideological enemies, because it met both nation's political agendas at the time, even though they both knew that they were destined to fight over the same piece of territory in the future.



The Munich accord was a similar act of Great Power politics, dealing with an ideological rival and sacrificing a smaller nation to achieve short term poltical gains.



So ,Western historians have not "forgotten" the Munich Agreement, and other double dealings by both the East and the West.They were just seperate incidents that had nothing in common except with whom they were dealing with in Adolph Hitler,and are dealt with historically as two seperate events. .



The Nazi-Soviet pact was a reality, and is unfortunately typical of how nations play the"great game" of international diplomacy and deal-making.
DeSaxe
2008-01-22 12:36:25 UTC
Good question.



From 1917 until May 1941 Germany and the USSR had a very unusal relationship and for every entent and purpose did work together, economically and politically. They did join together to plan and conquer Poland.



Germans believed that the USSR was an example of German espionage. In 1917 the Germans gave Lenin 5 million marks to topple the Russian Government and install himself as it's leader.

In 1927 Germany began trading with the USSR for many reasons, but the German influence in the USSR was substantial. As German took steps to rebuild there military it was the USSR that helped them do this. Germany and the USSR became very strong trading partners, being how both countries were being ignored by the west.



USSR and Japan, (Japan was considered Part of the Alliance in WW1) Japan began it's empire building when the British gained their alliance in removing the German presence from the Pacific. This later brought them into conflict with the Russians. Having over estimated their abilities and underestimated the Russians they quickly came to there senses and sought easiers pickings.



By 1936 the USSR was making the tanks & planes that armed the Nazi war machine so quickly. The assistance the USSR provided Nazi German was critical to Germanys ability to arm itself, german currency and gold were needed in the USSR to fund political expansion oversea's and purchase goods and supplies from the west as well as influnce trade with the west.



To assume that Hitler, and Stalin did not have their own plans is faulty, Hitler had his alliance with the USSR Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact and his alliance with Japan, one was for the conquest of poland the other for the conquest of the USSR.



Spain was a free for all, almost everyone sent people there, the and often on both sides. Spain sent a Spainish Division of troops with the Germans fighting the USSR up until 1943.



The USSR fought the Finns who were Germanys ally.

I do not think that Stalin thought Hitler an ally, I do think they both thought that they were manoveouring one another.
mom of girls
2008-01-22 13:20:48 UTC
Originally when the war started Russia did start out as an ally, but Hitler and his staff decided that they wanted to take over Russia as well and as a result that is when Russia was no longer an ally. Russia was to receive some areas during the conquest. It is like Italy started out as an ally to Nazi Germany, but towards the end of the war they also were starting to pull away from Germany and not wanting to ally with them any longer.
NAnZI pELOZI's Forced Social
2008-01-22 12:51:41 UTC
Just because you don't agree with historical information doesn't change it.

The Nazis and the Soviets signed a non-agression pact, which Hitler broke shortly thereafter.

And no, not Cold War tactics. Facts. Documented history.



People who tend not to agree with History are the revisionists who change history to meet their desires.
ausdingo1
2008-01-22 12:13:05 UTC
Never heard that the Russians and Nazis were allied. They were our allies during WWII. Probably more Nazis died fighting the Soviets, and their winters, than were killed by the Western Allies.
ahkim1994
2008-01-22 13:06:39 UTC
not really, the USSR surrendered to Germany and they made peace during WWI, but in WWII, they became enemies again. so, no, they were never real allies


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