Is wikipedia right to claim that Adolf Hitler is a liberal protestant based on a historical approach to Jesus?

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Is wikipedia right to claim that Adolf Hitler is a liberal protestant based on a historical approach to Jesus

Wiki claims that Hitler's religious beliefs were aligned with the Positive or German Christian movement within the Lutheran Church that seeked to use historical criticism to discover the true Aryan Jesus. Who was not a hippie pacifist but an active warrior against the Hebrews.

I know Hitler was born Catholic and had good relations with the Vatican, and others have called him a Nordic pagan and atheist.

Is wiki right?

Answer 1

Never trust wiki, everyone and anyone has access to it and can write utter nonsense.



Do your own research on more belivable, sophisticated sites written by historians, espeically if it is on someone like AH because there are so many rumours and theories around him that you need solid facts. :)

Answer 2

No. In the "Table Talk" book Hitler said all sorts of nasty things about Christianity, and that the evil Jewish were responsible for both "it and Bolshevism". One of his associates thought you could combine Christianity with Nazism, but Hitler thought it was impossible because it preached "slaver morality" (be kind to others), not the rough Germanism he believed in.



A document came up that revealed the Nazis eventually planned to start rounding up REAL Christians who didn't follow his Aryan Jesus business.



I'd say more and provide documentation, but it looks like this question is about to close. So unless you want to email me on YA, you're going to have to Google it. Look up the Table Talk business.



I can see the "liberal protestant" thing because they revised Jesus so make to make him an Aryan, but it's not true.



The debate is over whether or not he was an atheist or some occultist. I don't know the answer to that one, but from his ACTIONS as well as private beliefs, he was explicitly Anti-Christian, and said nasty things about it.



Sometimes you have to dig around Wiki to find the truth, depending on who has edited it, it might say anything. But usually sources exist on Wikipedia that go against the lies.



Hitler hated Christians, he said so. Anyone saying anything else is just following Hitler's own propaganda(when he would claim Christianity in his speeches as a pretext to motivate people who would have otherwise been horrified by him).

Answer 3

Actually, Hitler & the Nazi Party had very close ties to the Vatican--as shameful as that is for my religion, it is fact--They did not, however, aide the holocaust of the German war machine, at least not until after the end of WWII those ties came to actual physical involvement when the Catholic Church helped to smuggle more than a few Nazis out of Europe who would otherwise have faced war crimes.



Now it is also true that Hitler was born a Catholic, & it is true that considered himself a spiritual man, but he also looked at the Catholic Church as being a danger to Germania. Organized religion, as a whole, he looked on as separating the loyalty of the people & moving it away from National Socialism. However the exception would be the Protestant German Church. Here he supported the people's religious beliefs because he recognized the need for spirituality--being very spiritual himself--and the German Protestants & Martin Luther as an individual are both strongly linked to Germany & would then support a pro-German nationalism, by creating a pro-German church.



For those of you that follow the whole occult Hitler conspiracy theory, please turn off your TV & open a book. The History Channel also runs programs about 2012 & Nostradamus.



Please not that the word "liberal" as defined in America does not apply. Nazism was National Socialism & not Socialism. The difference is that Socialism in inclusive & National Socialism is exclusive, Socialism is Leftist & Nazism is far Right. So the term, "liberal" as is defined in the US, does not apply to Hitler. Conservative would be better.



His approach to Jesus is much like an agnostic's approach to Jesus. Hitler wasn't about to narrowly define his spiritual beliefs. He did not care if the people worshiped Jesus or not, he did care that they worshiped a German faith.

Answer 4

Don't ever count on something from Wikipedia. Its good for general ideas, but not for hard facts.



What it's probably referring to is a particular view that many Germans had, attempting to tie themselves to Jesus and tie Jesus to their particular politics at the time. I would take the information with a grain of salt, honestly.



Wiki isn't saying that Hitler was a liberal protestant, and it wasn't saying that the viewpoint was true. It just stated the theory and implied that Hitler may have believed/been a part of said movement.

Answer 5

Only Adolph Hitler could answer the question. He was born into the catholic church, but there is no records of attending religious services, protestant or catholic, for most of his adult life. He spoke often of "God" but never explicitly claimed Christian beliefs.

Its pretty plain he was not a true atheist. He had a belief in some supernatural force that he thought protected him and wished him to create his 3rd Reich. So he was some sort of deist. But there is little indication he found Christian concepts like love they neighbor to be worthy of emulation. He was fascinated with Germanic mythology and legends, but there is no evidence that he embraced an actual belief in the Norse gods. So, Wiki is wrong if that is what they claim. Hitler's religious beliefs are open to speculation but no one can say authoritatively what it was he truly believed in.

Answer 6

Hitler was born a Catholic but evolved into an apostate and a socialist. Hitler did not have good relations with the Vatican. In fact his relations were as bad as could be without going to war- and considering that almost all of hitlers allies were catholic countries, that was something to be avoided



there is no evidence that hitler ever considered joining the protestant faith- liberal or not. In fact there is far more pointing out that he favoured Islam- for example by forming muslim SS units. Of course I don't claim he converted.



BTW Christ was not a warrior fighting against the Hebrews. He was born a Hebrew. In his place and age "Aryans" were rather few. Of course Jesus was not a hippie pacifist. But his Kingdom (and his Enemy) was not of this world

Answer 7

He was officially Catholic with unorthodox beliefs about Jesus. He was a great admirer of Martin Luther (for his vile anti-semitism, there's an evil man everyone forgets was evil) so I guess that's where they got the Lutheran thing from, but Hitler was not unorthodox enough for the RCC to ex-communicate him, even now.

Answer 8

Hitler's religion was racist nationalism. He did believe in providence, but only to the extent that this belief enabled him to think of himself as an agent of fate who could not be defeated.

Answer 9

Hitler and the Nazis were far-right politically:



Hitler's initial Rage was against the Left-leaning 'November Criminals' which he and many other former soldiers blamed for Germany losing WWI.



Hitler only used the term socialism because he thought that it was a right-wing ideology and also was equal to aryan/german nationalism:



'NATIONAL' AND 'SOCIAL' ARE TWO IDENTICAL CONCEPTIONS. It was only the Jew who succeeded, through falsifying the social idea and turning it into Marxism, not only in divorcing the social idea from the national, but in actually representing them as utterly contradictory. That aim he has in fact achieved. At the founding of this Movement we formed the decision that we would give expression to this idea of ours of the identity of the two conceptions: despite all warnings, on the basis of what we had come to believe, on the basis of the sincerity of our will, we christened it ''National Socialist.'



- speech, Munich, April 1922



The Nazis were far-Right because they were first and foremost supremacists:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Far_right



…Far-right politics and political views commonly include authoritarianism, homophobia, nativism, racism, sexism, and xenophobia



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supremacism



http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/05/far-right_extremists_gather_at_liberty_convention.php?ref=mp









"...Hitler's campaign was largely focused on scaring people about the dangers of the Bolshevik menace.



Before Hitler got to power, he re-assured German industrialists that he would respect private property and fight labor unions. Hitler was also bankrolled by industrialists.



Hitler only got to power with the help from the conservatives in the "Enabling Act" (left wing social democrats opposed it, communists had been arrested after the fire falsely blamed on them).



After Hitler got to power, he sent thousands and thousands of communists, social democrats and unionists into concentration camps and killed the communist leaders in Germany. He outlawed labor unions and guaranteed corporate profits for Krupp & Co.



Many of Hitler's moral values were perfectly compatible with typical Christian-conservative parties. He appealed to family values, destroyed "indecent" art and literature, had homosexuals arrested and killed, abortion of "Aryans" outlawed etc. He created extensive youth and family programs. He openly embraced Catholicism ("the basis of our collective morals").



Hitler did place heavy restrictions on industry production, imports, prices etc. But he did not outlaw corporations -- in fact, the profits of the large corporations soared during his regency. Many businessmen (except, of course, for the Jewish ones) continued to support Hitler and his party with much needed funds, knowing full well that he would make sure that communism couldn't gain a foothold. Ultimately, Hitler was of course interested in absolute power -- that's why we call his politics fascist.



To call Hitler left-wing or socialist is ignorant to the extreme, and an insult to the millions who lost their lives fighting his politics. The strongest and most persistent resistance to Hitler's politics came from communists and socialists. The biggest support came from conservatives and businessmen..."



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk%3AHanseatic_League