Question:
What were the outcomes of the Vietnam War?
2007-06-23 11:04:48 UTC
Did America or Vietnam 'win' the war? Also, I'd like some basic info on what caused the Vietnam war, and how France got into it.
Fifteen answers:
2007-06-23 11:09:48 UTC
I know Americans class Vietnam as a loss. It wasn't even their war to begin with.
2016-05-18 07:17:31 UTC
None of your list The US got it's @ss kicked in Vietnam. (It just took a little longer than in Somalia) Ask any Vietnam veteran, cos I've met quite a few in my time. Iraq was no victory and Afghanistan won't be either ! When are you gonna realise, you cannot win a conventional war against guerrilla tactics ? Not even blanket bombing and chemical deforestation could stop the Vietcong. They had dug thousands of miles of tunnels and could pop up any time they wanted, do the dirty and disappear again. They were even sitting right underneath Bob Hope when he was giving a concert to the US troops ! Communism was your "pet" hatred then, you know, "reds under the bed" etc. Now they've got you all hot and bothered about muslims. And you still suck it all up. Military solutions are not always the best, sooner or later you have to see that this is true. G W Bush should never have invaded Iraq, that was just plain dumb, hell, he didn't even allow time for the sanctions to work ! Saddan Hussein could have been stopped another way, even if that meant assassinating him. Had the US concentrated everything on Afghanistan where Al Qaeda were operating, and pumped the same amount of money in as was used in both conflicts, then these terrorists would have been defeated now. Sorry, but that is my answer ! Whether you like it or not.
WMD
2007-06-23 11:27:20 UTC
America's support for the imposed political separation of Vietnam into "North" and "South" was doomed from the beginning. The outcome was - the Vietnamese finally unified the whole country in 1975 under a communist government. As for the "Domino Theory", the rest of South East Asia did not turn communist, and Vietnam has not shown any desire to conquer its neighbours. If you have not heard it before, then I will tell you now - the U.S. won every military battle - the Vietnamese won the political battle.



For more information, on what caused it and how France got into it, see Stanley Karnow's 'Vietnam: A History'.



For Dum D - it's Ho Chi Minh. Also, it is Diem, not Deim.
2007-06-23 11:53:09 UTC
United States in Vietnam 1945-1975

Comprehensive Timelines with Quotes and Analysis



http://www.historyplace.com/unitedstates/vietnam/index.html



http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/vietnam/



http://www.vietnampix.com/



http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/vietnam.html



In the 1950's the United States began to send troops to Vietnam. During the following 25-years the ensuing war would create some of the strongest tensions in US history. Almost 3 million US men and women were sent thousands of miles to fight for what was a questionable cause. In total, it is estimated that over 2,5 million people on both sides were killed.



http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/VietnamWar.htm



ADDITIONAL VIETNAM LINKS ON THE WEB



http://www.multied.com/vietnam/Links.html



Anti War Movement.



http://library.thinkquest.org/27942/indexf.htm
cymry3jones
2007-06-23 12:09:36 UTC
Vietnam was a French colony. When France pulled out, fighting broke out between the communist north and the non-communist south. Apparently the south 'invited' the USA to help them. (Just like the Afghani government 'invited' the Soviet Union to help them in 1979).

The USA was still paranoid about Communists. They lost the war. Personnel were evacuated by helicopter from the roof of the US Embassy in Saigon.

Outcomes? The Vietnamese 'Boat People'. Refugees fleeing a Vietnam under Communist rule. Hong Kong 1979/1980 maybe 500 refugees arriving every day. Children who had seen their fathers killed by pirates on the way and their mothers raped and then killed.

It is estimated that of all the people who left Vietnam as 'boat people' only 50% actually survived the journey to Hong Kong, Malaysia, or elsewhere in the South China Sea.
Cookie Girl
2007-06-23 11:49:56 UTC
America never won the war. In fact, it really was not a war at all, more of a prolonged conflict. Vietnam was originally a French colony called Indo-China. Ho Chin Minh (president of Vietnam before the war) was a nationalist asking the U.S. for help to gain their freedom from France, he became a communist because Russia started to fund the revolution, which we refused. So Ho Chin Minh, started a rebellion against France. The U.S. gave money to France to hold them off (this was part of the communism containment policy in place in the U.S.). French rule ended in defeat at dienbienphu. after that I think the UN got together to see if they could resovle the conflict, this meeting was know as the Geneva Convention in 1954. The end result was the Geneva Accords (which America never signed) it stated that Indo-China would be divided at the 17th parrallel north of it would be known as the republic of North Vietnam and the Capital would be Hanoi the President Ho Chin Minh. Below the 17th Parrallel would be the republic of South Vietnam, Capital Saigon and the President Deim. At the end of 2 years there would be a nationwide election (Ho Chin Minh v. Deim.) the winner would be president of a unified Vietnam. The election never took place because it became evident that Ho Chin Minh was going to win hands down (Ho Chin Minh was communist), the U. S. would not allow this to happen, so we intervened. Deim was very unpoplar. He was cruel and brutal dictator. The night the Vietnam war started Deim and his brother were murdured in a military coup.
Louie O
2007-06-23 11:20:29 UTC
France was in Nam in the 50's, search Dien Bien Phu, we helped France,again, after their defeat at Dien Bien Phu. That's when America's involvment started in Viet Nam. The Eisenhower administration got us involved. The war was a stalemate, but the North Vietnamese claimed victory, after America voluntarily pulled out , after much stateside -pressure. As is happening today.
tim
2007-06-26 13:04:06 UTC
france was like england with colonies everywhere

and vietnam was one of frances colonies...



viet minh means "fend off all invaders"

it had been in vietnamese psyche for hundreds of years with trying to fend off invasion from china

the french were no different....and met alot of resistence from north vietnam....



america took over when the "no combat zone" was made......



north vietnam had asked america for aid to fight off the french..america declined

so the north vietnamese went to russia for aid

thats how they got to be called communist...



and as there was alot of fear about communism at that time vietnam became the stage for east west confrontation....



noone won the war

the southern vietnamese people lost the most

altho some will say that literacy went up from 3% to 87% while the americans were there....and businesses etc...



the best book i ever read on vietnam is

"a bright shining lie" by a reporter who was there from the beginning



google it theres lots on it
Efnissien
2007-06-23 11:53:59 UTC
One of the effects was a reluctance to get militarily involved in foreign affairs. This lasted until Grenada in 1983, when the US invaded a small poorly armed county and somehow managed to win, despite having totally overwhelming manpower, firepower, total air superiority and logistics.
2007-06-23 11:27:51 UTC
france was fighting vietnamese long before the americans joined in I married an american and grew up during that period of history i was one of the lucky ones whose man came back many didnt i still think to this day they should not have been there
2007-06-24 06:32:29 UTC
An ignominious defeat for America
harlin42
2007-06-23 14:50:01 UTC
No. Vets treated like Crap One of worse wars
Dirk von Pelvis
2007-06-23 11:13:09 UTC
According to Kissinger, it was victory with honor.

It wasn't. The US could not defeat guerrillas. Only armies.
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2007-06-23 11:19:01 UTC
Thousands of lives lost because the American government want to push their democracy on people who don't want it
2007-06-23 11:23:43 UTC
The French gained control of Indochina (French Indochina included Cambodia, Laos and Vietnam) during a series of colonial wars, from 1859 to 1885. At the Versailles Conference in 1919, Hồ Chí Minh (a pseudonym meaning the Enlightener) requested that a Vietnamese delegation be present to work toward independence for Vietnam. He hoped that U.S. President Woodrow Wilson would support the effort. But he was sorely disappointed and Indochina's status remained unchanged.



During the Second World War, the puppet government of Vichy France cooperated with Imperial Japanese forces. Vietnam was under de facto Japanese control, although the French continued to serve as the day to day administrators.



In 1950, the U.S. Military Assistance and Advisory Group (MAAG) arrived to screen French requests for aid, advise on strategy and train Vietnamese soldiers.[22] By 1954, the U.S. had supplied 300,000 small arms and spent one billion dollars in support of the French military effort. The Eisenhower administration was shouldering 80 percent of the cost of the war.[23] The Viet Minh received crucial support from the Soviet Union and the People's Republic of China. Chinese support in the Border Campaign of 1950 allowed supplies to come from China into Vietnam. Throughout the conflict, U.S. intelligence estimates remained skeptical of French chances of success.[24]



The Battle of Dien Bien Phu marked the end of French involvement in Indochina. The Viet Minh and their mercurial commander Vo Nguyen Giap handed the French a stunning military defeat. On May 7, 1954, the French Union garrison surrendered. At the Geneva Conference the French negotiated a ceasefire agreement with the Viet Minh. Independence was granted to Cambodia, Laos and Vietnam. As a U.S. Army study noted, France lost the war primarily because it "neglected to cultivate the loyalty and support of the Vietnamese people."



Aftermath

Main articles: Mayagüez Incident, Socialist Republic of Vietnam, Democratic Kampuchea, Third Indochina War, Reeducation camp, and boat people

Phnom Penh, the capital of Cambodia, fell to the Khmer Rouge on April 17, 1975. The last official American military action in South East Asia occurred on 15 May 1975. Forty-one U.S. military personnel were killed when the Khmer Rouge seized a U.S. merchant ship, the SS Mayaguez. The episode became known as the Mayagüez incident.



The Pathet Lao overthrew the royalist government of Laos in December, 1975. They established the Lao People's Democratic Republic.



Hundreds of thousands of South Vietnamese officials, particularly ARVN officers, were imprisoned in reeducation camps after the Communist takeover. Tens of thousands died and many fled the country after being released. Up to two million civilians left the country, and as many as half of these boat people perished at sea.



On July 2, 1976, the Socialist Republic of Vietnam was declared. In 1977, President Jimmy Carter issued a pardon for nearly 10,000 draft dodgers.



After repeated border clashes in 1978, Vietnam invaded Democratic Kampuchea (Cambodia) and ousted the Khmer Rouge. As many as two million died during the Khmer Rouge genocide.



Vietnam began to repress its ethnic Chinese minority. Thousand fled and the exodus of the boat people began. In 1979, China invaded Vietnam in retaliation for its invasion of Cambodia, known as the Third Indochina War or the Sino-Vietnamese War. Chinese forces were repulsed.



The dire predictions of a generation did not come to fruition. Since Thailand and other South East Asian nations did not fall to systematic Vietnamese aggression, the Domino Theory, so widely trumpeted, was said to have been an illusion. Others, however, argued that they did not fall to Communism, because the war bought time for their economic and political development.[citation needed] Vietnam, without the presence of the United States, showed itself to be of little economic or strategic value to anyone.[109]



At home, a generation of Americans struggled to absorb the lessons of military intervention without clear motives or objectives.[110] As General Maxwell Taylor, one of the principle architects of the war noted "first, we didn't know ourselves. We thought that we were going into another Korean war, but this was a different country. Secondly, we didn't know our South Vietnamese allies … And we knew less about North Vietnam. Who was Ho Chi Minh? Nobody really knew. So, until we know the enemy and know our allies and know ourselves, we'd better keep out of this kind of dirty business. It's very dangerous."[111]



In the decades since end of the conflict, some have sought to portray America's defeat as a political, rather than a military defeat. The official history of the United States Army noted, however, that "tactics have often seemed to exist apart from larger issues, strategies, and objectives. Yet in Vietnam the Army experienced tactical success and strategic failure … The … Vietnam War('s) … legacy may be the lesson that unique historical, political, cultural, and social factors always impinge on the military … Success rests not only on military progress but on correctly analyzing the nature of the particular conflict, understanding the enemy's strategy, and assessing the strengths and weaknesses of allies. A new humility and a new sophistication may form the best parts of a complex heritage left to the Army by the long, bitter war in Vietnam."[112] US Secretary of State Henry Kissinger wrote in a secret memo to President Gerald Ford that "in terms of military tactics, we cannot help draw the conclusion that our armed forces are not suited to this kind of war. Even the Special Forces who had been designed for it could not prevail."[113] Even Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara concluded that "the achievement of a military victory by U.S. forces in Vietnam was indeed a dangerous illusion."[114]



Doubts surfaced as to the effectiveness of large scale, sustained bombing. As Chief of Staff of the United States Army Harold K. Johnson noted, "if anything came out of Vietnam, it was that air power couldn't do the job.[115] Even General William Westmoreland admitted that the bombing had been ineffective. As he remarked, "I still doubt that the North Vietnamese would have relented." [116]



The loss of the war called into question U.S. Army doctrine. Marine Corps General Victor Krulak heavily criticised Westmoreland's attrition strategy, calling it "wasteful of American lives … with small likelihood of a successful outcome." [117] As well, doubts surfaced about the ability of the military to train foreign forces.[118] The defeat also raised disturbing questions about the quality of the advice that was given to successive United States Presidents by the Pentagon.[119]



As the number of troops in Vietnam increased, the financial burden of the war grew. One of the rarely mentioned consequences of the war were the budget cuts to President Johnson's Great Society programs. As defense spending and inflation grew, Johnson was forced to raise taxes. The Republicans, however, refused to vote for the increases, unless a $6 billion cut was made to the administration's social programs. The Vietnam War claimed more than just victims overseas - at home it claimed reforms aimed at lifting millions of people out of poverty.



Almost 3 million Americans served in Vietnam. Between 1965 and 1973 the United States spent $120 billion on the war. This resulted in a large federal budget deficit. The war demonstrated that no power, not even a superpower, has unlimited strength and resources. But perhaps most significantly, the Vietnam War illustrated that political will, as much as material might, is a decisive factor in the outcome of conflicts.


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